Monday 28 February 2011

The Promise: "Die, Evil Jews!"

The fourth and final part of The Promise, if possible, was even worse than the previous three put together in it’s demonisation of the Jews.

Anyone who defends the programme as “balanced” and really believes that all Jews are as evil as they are portrayed in it, must either be a. ignorant, or b. antisemitic.

This is just beyond anti-Zionism and any defence of it as such, as opposed to antisemitic, is just laughable.

I am not at all saying that some of what the Israelis and Jews did in The Promise didn’t happen; it did, and I would not defend the actions of the Irgun, some of what they did was disgusting.

But looking at The Promise from the perspective of someone who has no knowledge of Israel now or then, what they would think is that the Jews are totally evil.

In modern-day Israel, the Israeli brother tells Erin that “you can do anything you want to the Palestinians” with no consequences, and we see Israeli soldiers stand by as Jews scream abuse and throw glass and rocks at defenceless Palestinians - and this is portrayed as the norm – whilst the Palestinians in The Promise never do anything like this.

The reality is very different, not least because much as people like to pretend it isn’t, Israel is a democracy and Jews, just like Arabs will face the consequences if they are involved in violent behaviour. And that includes Israeli soldiers who are punished if they act against the IDF's strict code of conduct.

Meanwhile in The Promise’s version of the late 1940s the Jews are not only murderers but traitors as well – Clara, the Jewish woman who Erin’s grandfather was involved with, and his British-Jewish soldier friend both betrayed him leading to the deaths of British soldiers and Arabs.

The Promise completely ignores the other side to all this: that a. the majority of the Jews condemned these attacks – and not only condemned, but the Haganah, the original Israeli Defence Forces who worked alongside the British, captured and turned in Irgun members to the British; and b. at that time the Arabs attacked and killed hundreds of unarmed Jewish civilians.

The Promise fails to mention that the UN proposed the partition plan to create a Jewish state and a Palestinian state, and that the Jews accepted this but the Arabs rejected it.

It also throws in a large dose of sympathy to a Palestinian family whose daughter was a suicide bomber, and whose brother, a member of Hamas “says it’s his job to protect the family” – as though that’s in their charter and not to kill all the Jews or anything like that.

Finally, at the end of the programme, the director dictates to the viewers exactly what he aimed for them to think:

- About the creation of the state of Israel, Erin’s grandfather: “embarrassed and ashamed”.

- About present day Israel, Erin on the idea of returning: “Why, what’s the point?

I have never seen such an obvious attack of delegitimisation of Israel on every level like this. With it's sympathy of Palestinian terrorists, and deliberate distortions and omissions of Israelis' and Jews' actions, The Promise is against both Israel’s right to existence and it’s right to self-defence, without both of which all the Jews would die. If that’s not antisemitism I don’t know what is.

38 comments:

  1. The Promise is simply British propaganda. The glaring omission of the Palestine Police, and their ruthless policies towards Arabs and Jews, is an example of extreme bias.

    To show the TRUE and REAL history of British presence in Palestine would be very, very embarrassing for today's generation of Europeans and certainly the current leaderships two-face and pro-Arab policies.

    Do Brits know about Operation Agatha? Do they know the thousands of Arabs slaughtered by the British Army in retribution operations? Sending Jewish fighters to Nazi POW camps? Sinking Jewish refugee ships? Banning Jews from praying at the Western Wall? Babysitting Arabs as they massacre Jews (who of course - are not allowed to own weapons to defend themselves, one of the reasons why the Irgun came to be).

    No, just more British apologism. The British were monsters, second only to Nazi Germany when it came to raping the Middle East and Africa for its resources.

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  2. It IS anti-Semitism by every definition of anti-Semitism laid down by scholars and responsible international bodies.

    If one opposes the existence of Israel, one is an anti-Semite.

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  3. 'The Promise' is utterly disgusting; I felt sick watching it, especially Part 4 ( the sergeant also writes in his 'diary': I know the Jews suffered a lot but, given that Israel was born in violence, I wonder whether it was worth it!).

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  4. The filmmakers have said that they were scrupulous to ensure that the historical events in the film did occur. And an historian was involved in researching this. Is there any dispute about the realism of the scenes that were depicted (I'm guessing that Deir Yassin is the most problematical)?

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  5. Capa may be interested to read more about the Palestine Police from the perspective of their 'old comrades' association. A courageous group of men.

    http://www.wyevalley.worldonline.co.uk/

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  6. Anon 2 the research also included using left-wing political groups, including Breaking the Silence, whose testimonies have been proven as unrelieable http://cifwatch.com/2011/02/28/peter-kosminsky-acknowledges-using-testimony-from-radical-ngo-as-source-for-the-promise/
    If the director wanted to be balanced he would have also spoken to soldiers from Soldiers Speak Out.
    Also, like I said in the post, I'm not in denial about things that happened. What The Promise missed out was the fact that every group that actually represented the vast majority of Jews at that time condemned Deir Yassin.

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  7. Reading all the pro israeli claptrap caused me to wonder that if, God forbid, there was ever a conflict between Britain and israel, where would the British jews loyalties lie?

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  8. A sweeping statement there. How can you say that the vast majority condemned Deir Yassin? Menachem Begin certainly didn't. With no ill effect on his political career it would seem.

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  9. "where would the British jews loyalties lie?"

    Watch what you say, your implication is antisemitic. http://www.fra.europa.eu/fraWebsite/material/pub/AS/AS-WorkingDefinition-draft.pdf

    Not that I have to answer, but my loyalties would lie with the side that is moral and right.

    Whose side are the moderate Libyans on? Gadaffi or the rest of the world?

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  10. No Proud Zionist,Most certainly not anti semitic -being a fair minded person i resent the implication . Just anti israeli - the two are certainly not the same.

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  11. "Capa may be interested to read more about the Palestine Police from the perspective of their 'old comrades' association. A courageous group of men."

    Wow, a site designed and written by loyal British imperialist soldiers? No mention of Palestine Police massacring Jews in response to Irgun attacks in Jerusalem? How about rounding up Jews-nazi style and sending them to death camps in Cyprus and Africa?

    Oh wait...how dare I criticize the great British army, responsible for the mass-murder of not only Jews but 10,000 Arabs in Palestine.

    Cherrio!

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  12. Death camps in cyprus and North Africa ? Now you are getting hysterical Capa. They were merely transit camps . Even the most ardent Zionist of the time wouldn't call them death camps - but anything to suit an argument particularly from this distance in time - isn't that so ?

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  13. Jews died in these camps. They were imprisoned along side Nazi POWs. Yes, Holocaust survivors imprisoned alongside Nazi POWs.

    Many held even after Israel was established and defeated the British/Arabs.

    Have you know shame? And do you deny any thing else in my comment? Like the British torture and rape of Arabs?

    No u do not!

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  14. Anonymous 2

    two events shown and one event referenced never occurred

    the attempted breakout from the hospital....never happened

    the assassination in front of what appears to be wealthy jews sipping coffee....never happened (it was referencing either one of two events...a kidnapping or the dumping of brit soldiers that had been kidnapped, but were still alive)

    israel did not take civilian arabs to camps...no matter what that old man said...and there is no photographic evidence to prove that statement...pows were held, but for a very short time

    other historical events are changed significantly

    dov grunner (name changed but same incident) was not executed for killing brit soldiers, he was executed for the attempted stealing of weapons...and he wasnt executed alone

    i really dont want to go on

    kaminsky showed what he wanted, and he cheated the brit public out of what could have been true and compelling drama

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  15. Proud Zionist

    groups condemned the operation at deir yassin because they were given inaccurate facts.

    deir yassin was a legitimate military target, and the arab men in that village fought back...killing 4 and wounding 40...they were aided by the women, who they chose not to evacuate before the attack (even though given warning)

    its time for us to stop apologizing for revisionist history

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  16. bacci40,

    Here is a link to the names of the 914 British soldiers and police officers who were killed in Palestine between 1945-1948. In many cases the manner of their death is described. Kaminsky has stated that the incidents are historically correct and with so many examples to choose from he would have had no reason for fakery.


    Capa,

    Lots of people were refugees and in transit camps during and after WW2. Tens of millions. All of whom had to be looked after and re-homed by the Allies. Or would you rather that the Nazis had won? And, furthermore, the Palestine Jews were plenty pleased to have British policemen and soldiers defending their interests when it mattered - the mistake was to expect gratitude, a point made by Kosminsky's soldier lead I seem to recall.

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  17. bacci,

    The link - http://www.roll-of-honour.com/cgi-bin/palestine.cgi

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  18. Anonymous 2

    i never denied that attacks were made on british soldiers and police by the irgun and stern gang.

    care to point out the deaths that occurred the way kosminsky portrays them?

    care to show me where he puts any of it in context?

    did you note that brits also died during that time from attacks by arabs? where was that in the program

    and im sorry....gratitude?

    the brits stood idly by when arabs made raids on kibbutzim

    they stood idly by when arabs attacked jews

    they raided and removed arms from kibbutzim, making it impossible for jews to protect themselves

    they halted all immigration of jews, while allowing unfettered immigration by arabs

    they sank ships with jewish refugees on them

    the brits declared war on the jew

    and the jew fought back

    eff gratitude

    but please...as many brits were there with family....want to point out the graves of the civlian women and children the jews killed?

    the jews of palestine did exactly what the nascent americans did when they had their fill of the british empire....they kicked their brit butts right back to jolly old england

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  19. Five British soldiers and four Jews were killed in an ambush near Acre. The Sydney Smith barracks, north of Acre, having no light for three days, asked the Palestine Electric Corporation, which was a Jewish company, to repair the wires. The corporation agreed to do this provided they were provided with an armed escort. Two Army trucks containing men from the Middle East School of Artillery were escorting the corporation's armoured car when a land mine exploded, overturning one of the trucks and immobilizing the armoured car. Arabs then opened up with heavy fire from the roadside, killing all five soldiers in one truck and all four Jews in the armoured car.

    the above happened in march of 48

    where was this in the program

    or did len leave before this incident

    oh thats right...he witnessed the nakba....he just missed the above

    i reiterate the following

    kosminsky designed this program to inflame hatred towards the jew....to make the british occupation benign...and beatify the arab

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  20. bacci40,

    Which British ships did the British "sink with refugees on them"? There were certainly some ships sunk (accidentally) in this way by terrorists, but not by the British so far as I am aware.

    The rest of what you say is just hyperbole.

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  21. bacci,

    That should have been "Which ships..."

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  22. google ss struma

    hyperbole?

    to this day, the brits insist they remained in palestine to keep the peace...they did nothing of the kind

    they were there to make sure that no more jews entered the area

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  23. bacci40,

    That was the Russians. Which I am sure you know already.

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  24. Bacci40
    Just to change the war to elsewhere for a while:

    You really must polish up your history . The Americans in the revolutionary war were primarily of British stock anyway . The best British Generals refused to fight their own and stayed in Britain. Most American historians agree that the remarkable thing was not that the British lost but that they managed to maintain a war for eight years 3,500 miles from their supply base. whilst of course fighting the Revolutionaries, The French , The Spanish and the Dutch at the same time.No wonder they burnt down the public buildings in Washington in 1812 !

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  25. "Lots of people were refugees and in transit camps during and after WW2. Tens of millions. All of whom had to be looked after and re-homed by the Allies. Or would you rather that the Nazis had won? And, furthermore, the Palestine Jews were plenty pleased to have British policemen and soldiers defending their interests when it mattered"

    No shit. The British implemented specific policies (WHITE PAPERS) to deny Jewish emigration in Palestine. This was during the HOLOCAUST, when Jews were being killed all over Europe!

    The British presence in Palestine, as I and others have proven NUMEROUS TIMES, had jack squat to do with protecting Jewish rights and everything to do with protecting British hegemony in the region.

    When the Arabs drew the line and said no to a Jewish state, Britain said okay and suddenly the Jews found themselves dealing with both Nazi Germany and the British.

    Remember, most of the leaders of the anti-British militants were survivors of the holocaust and former anti-Nazi resistance leaders.

    Look up Operation Agatha. That is what sent the war in motion.

    The British had it coming.

    "Which British ships did the British "sink with refugees on them"? There were certainly some ships sunk (accidentally) in this way by terrorists, but not by the British so far as I am aware."

    Ships were sunk or lost at sea precisely because of the British naval blockade.

    Jews were literally being MASSACRED while the Soviet Union and British sunk ships coming out of Europe assuming all were Nazi, when in reality many were loaded with Jewish refugees.

    Millions of Jews could have been saved had the British forfeited a tiny slither of imperialism, but no - the Jews weren't worth it.

    Look up your own history Brit. Your whole legacy is based on mass murder and genocide. I know movies like this make Brits more comfortable but they are LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_casualties_of_war#Casualties_during_the_British_Mandate_Period

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  26. Capa,

    The list you refer to starts with the Patria, which was sunk by terrorists. The accounts I have seen make much of the British rescue attempts as the ship went down. The Struma was, it is believed, sunk by a Russian submarine. Passengers on the Struma could have been issued with visas by the Jewish Agency. Because they were wealthy people who had acquired tickets without prior clearance from the Agency they were denied these visas, particularly as many were old. The Agency held a surplus of visas at this time. Merchant ships leaving Turkish waters were being attacked by the Russians because Turkey was supplying Germany with essential war supplies (chromium). The risks of towing the Struma out to sea would have been known to the 'neutral' Turks. The two passenger ships sunk by Typhoon aircraft were not carrying refugees, so should not be on the list. The other two (SS Bulgaria and the Mefkura I know nothing about).

    Operation Agatha, which you asked me to look up, would hardly have been likely had there not already have been a 'war in motion'.

    Regarding the 1939 White Paper, this was much debated at the time. Had the arguments in its favour not been very strong it would not have been passed and implemented. It's easy to look back know and say that things should have been handled differently but had they been then it's quite possible that the Middle East would have fallen to the Nazis and the immigration matter would have been irrelevant. It was a close run thing. Google 'Einsatzgruppe Egypt' to see what was the alternative. Also, about the immigration quotas, remember that at the end of the war there was still spare capacity despite all restrictions on fleeing refugees having been lifted in 1943. The problem being that by this point only small numbers were able to flee Nazi controlled areas (many who held visas in these areas being unable to use them).

    It's probably a waste of my time giving you this response as it seems you have already chosen what you want to believe, but maybe another reader will find it of interest.

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  27. @ Anonymous

    Do you deny British persecution of Jews and Arabs in Palestine? Do you deny Britain's NAVAL blockade of Palestine was DESIGNED to stop JEWISH EMIGRATION? It's not as if Jews were displacing Arabs as they landed in Palestine. Peel Commission confirmed this.

    No. Please, stop with the dodges and stalling. the Brits are guilty and you and i both know it.

    Just accept it. Israel is guilted day and night about the Palestinian "nakba" but Europe hasn't spent a day in shame.

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  28. Capa,

    Guilty of what?

    British Empire forces defeated the Ottomans, with great loss of life, and then set about creating a Jewish homeland for persecuted East European Jews (and German Jews). Zionism had close links with the Nazis and some terrorists then sought to take advantage of Britain's weak position in the early years of the war by attacking British forces. This made Palestine a very difficult country to manage for Britain, whilst simultaneously fighting a global war. There were fears, well founded, that the Nazis would infiltrate Palestine. This was a major reason for the tight controls on Jewish wartime immigration. So is you want to blame anyone, blame the Stern gang. Some of whose members went on to achieve prominence when Israel was formed.

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  29. Zionism had close links with the Nazis

    anon2 shows his true colors

    next he will post that the early zionists helped hitler form the final solution

    GET OFF THIS SITE, YOU JEW HATING BASTARD

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  30. "British Empire forces defeated the Ottomans, with great loss of life, and then set about creating a Jewish homeland for persecuted East European Jews (and German Jews). Zionism had close links with the Nazis and some terrorists then sought to take advantage of Britain's weak position "

    Now you continue to ignore facts that conflict with your apologism for the British empire.

    The British were second only to Nazi Germany in terms of institutionalized antisemitism, and REAL historians such as Gilbert and Lewis have exposed the motives of the British Empire.

    Continue living in your fantasy world British troll...I guess you have to in order to feel superior to the British Empire.

    And BTW, you wouldn't have defeated the Ottoman's if it weren't for the Jews and Arabs who fought alongside you, the Jews and Arabs you later massacred in Iraq and Palestine when they didn't agree with your imperialist policies.

    Fortunately the Jews have successfuly liberated themselves from colonial control, though some citizens still feel the urge - perhaps genetically motivated - to boss the Jews around once more.

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  31. bacci40,

    The pre-war relationship between the Zionists and the Nazis is well documented, you have only to look it up. Start with the 1933 Haavara (Transfer) Agreement. Eichmann even visited Palestine in 1937, briefly as he was ordered out by the British.

    Estimates of the total number of Arabs who fought alongside British Empire forces are in the hundreds and there were a couple of Jewish battalions (mainly from London) and the Mule Corps. Plus the NILI spies.

    You really know nothing don't you?

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  32. Just realised that the follow-on comment was from Capa, so my final line should read 'You TWO really know nothing don't you?'

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  33. "The pre-war relationship between the Zionists and the Nazis is well documented, you have only to look it up. Start with the 1933 Haavara (Transfer) Agreement. Eichmann even visited Palestine in 1937, briefly as he was ordered out by the British."

    Again, more British rewriting of history.

    The Zionists did not "collaborate" with Nazis. How can you honestly attack Jews for trying to rescue Jews from the Nazi stranglehold?

    The British did jack shit. Out of sight out of mind. But no Zionist organization actively collaborated with the Nazis against Jewish rights, something you are inferring.

    Go read Morris about how PALESTINIAN OFFICIALS MET WITH HITLER, YES, MET WITH HITLER.

    Only then did the British boot the mufti out of Palestine, but the damage was already done.

    And still you don't deny the British rape and massacre of the Middle East.

    The 15,000 Arabs wiped out by the British army.

    Do you DENY IT? NO. OF COURSE YOU DONT!

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  34. anon2

    you are a jew hating bastard....and there is no point in debating with you

    if i wanted to hear the jew hating bastard side of the story, i would go to stormfront

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  35. Capa,

    You don't get it do you? Hitler and the Zionists had a mutual interest in removing Jews from Germany and populating a Jewish homeland in Palestine. There was much cooperation towards that end. As I say, it's all been written about.

    I'll ignore all your jibes about the British as there seems to be no sense to any of it. You even contradict yourself within just a few sentences, when you say that the British did "jack shit" and then go on to talk about the (exaggerated numbers of) Arabs killed. Well, why do you think they were killed? Why do you think there was an Arab Revolt? Duh!

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  36. "You don't get it do you? Hitler and the Zionists had a mutual interest in removing Jews from Germany and populating a Jewish homeland in Palestine. There was much cooperation towards that end. As I say, it's all been written about."

    "HITLER AND ZIONISTS" please great job rewriting history.

    Only a brit could have the moral deficiency to draw such a parallel. Just because a few Zionists tried to broker agreements with the Nazis to save Jews from the Nazis does not mean the entire Zionist movement=Nazis. The British were Nazis, cooperating with Nazi Arabs and blockading Palestine from Jews fighting and fleeing Nazis.

    Oh yeah, and British officers profiting from the holocaust like Jack Philby.

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  37. Capa,

    I won't bang on about this. When you have the time, do your own research. It's not difficult, the material is easy to find. Or stay in denial, it's your choice.

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  38. where did the other anon come from?

    and the guy needs to use firefox with its built in spellcheck

    anon2...you are a jew hating revisionist bastard

    but thanks for playing...cuz people need to see how low you bastards will go to prove your jew hating points

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